[georss] [Mass-Market-GEO] OpenSearch Geo - Feedback

Wed Oct 10 16:17:08 EDT 2007

The following is an FYI only. I am NOT making any assumptions about correctness of approach, terms, definitions, etc. This is purely FYI as another point of reference.

Check out NCIOC: NETWORK CENTRIC OPERATIONS INDUSTRY CONSORTIUM: https://www.ncoic.org/about

>From their website, "NCOIC members are committed to working together to define the open standards, processes, methods, models and architectures that will accelerate and ensure secure, reliable interoperability. The NCOIC is a results-driven body, comprising five technical teams: etc"

Worth checking out as their work exposes another set of requirements from a very large user community for the same general problem set - business process driven provision of net accessible services and data - which I believe is what Pete is speaking to.

https://www.ncoic.org/technology/deliverables/nif/NCOIC_Interoperability_Framework_v1.pdf

Cheers

Carl

Also, NCOIC definition of a web service  (and not to start a huge dialogue - just as a point of reference as to how the NCOIC community views a web service): An application or business logic that is normally accessible using standard Internet protocols. Web Services combine the desirable aspects of component-based development and the World Wide Web. Like components, Web Services represent "black-box functionality" that can be used and reused without regard to how the service is implemented. Most standards-based web services use XML to interact with each other, which allows them to link up on demand using loose coupling. Web Services protocols typically consist of SOAP, UDDI, and WSDL, although others are being considered for addition to address aspects of web services not yet adequately addressed by these standards, for example, security. SAML is an emerging candidate to address some aspects of security in web services.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Gillies" <sgillies at frii.com>
To: <georss at lists.eogeo.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [georss] [Mass-Market-GEO] OpenSearch Geo - Feedback

> Ron,
> 
> I think Pete Lacey's recent post about new taxonomic terms might be 
> handy here:
> 
> http://wanderingbarque.com/nonintersecting/2007/10/08/towards-a-better-network-programming-taxonomy/
> 
> Services that are "for the web" are what Lacey calls network-oriented 
> computing. These take into account the latency and unreliability of the 
> web. They also embrace the constraints of the web: URLs, hypertext as 
> the engine of application state, and a very limited set of semantics for 
> accessing resources (GET, PUT, POST, DELETE).
> 
> OGC services are what Lacey would call network-indepedent computing 
> (NIC) in that they attempt to abstract away the network. They try to 
> provide equivalent interfaces across a bunch of "DCP Types", of which 
> HTTP is just one. It's also my understanding that the OGC services had 
> their origins in the CORBA/DCOM mindset of the 90s, back when a lot of 
> enterprises were still skeptical about the Web.
> 
> Sean
> 
> Ron Lake wrote:
>> Jason et al:
>> 
>> One thing that would help in these discussions is to understand what one
>> means when we say "for the web".  Clearly all OGC services are intended
>> to function on the web and do to transactions, interact with one another
>> etc across the Internet.  Do you mean a particular suite of applications
>> "on the web" ?  How are these applications distinguished?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: georss-bounces at lists.eogeo.org
>> [mailto:georss-bounces at lists.eogeo.org] On Behalf Of Jason Cupp
>> Sent: October 10, 2007 3:52 AM
>> To: georss at lists.eogeo.org
>> Subject: Re: [georss] [Mass-Market-GEO] OpenSearch Geo - Feedback
>> 
>> Mass-market WWW began as static HTML pages... now it's AJAX, HTTP
>> services, etc... it evolves. Our realization and use of the Web changes
>> overtime in re-re-re-interpretation of REST principals and whatever
>> comes next. 
>> 
>> CSW was just right for it's time. Is it wrong for the Web NOW? Maybe,
>> that's why we have working groups. Is OpenSearch right for the Web 20
>> years from now? Maybe... maybe not. Can discovering GIS resources work
>> using CSW. Yes. Should we try to gain greater appeal by adopting more
>> suitable (accepted today) technology? Most think so. Would OpenSearch do
>> the trick? That's what we're trying to figure out...
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charlie Savage [mailto:cfis at savagexi.com] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:08 PM
>> To: Jason Cupp
>> Cc: georss at lists.eogeo.org
>> Subject: Re: [georss] [Mass-Market-GEO] OpenSearch Geo - Feedback
>> 
>> Hi Jason,
>> 
>>> Everyone is struggling to get a web search API just right for their
>>> users;  CSW suffers the same way that all OGC services do in the
>> growing
>>> REST spotlight. For -which- web at -which- time, a moving target,
>> until
>>> people start getting real work done on top of it.
>> 
>> Let me cordially disagree with your comment about the web.  I only see 
>> one web - what other web are you seeing?
>> 
>> Also, I'm not sure what you mean by -which- time?  And I'm sure I don't 
>> understand your comment about "start getting real work done on top of 
>> it."  On top of the web?  Really?
>> 
>> Charlie
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