[georss] RE: Drafty timeline for GeoRSS

Wed May 3 20:39:25 EDT 2006

Allan -

Thanks!

I do not think effort is over the top. One aspect of our industry that has 
always bothered me is how little geo-professionals know (or care) about the 
historical events that shape our industry today and in many respects will 
dictate the form of our industry in the future.

I appreciate the effort.

Regards

Carl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allan Doyle" <adoyle at eogeo.org>
To: <georss at lists.eogeo.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [georss] RE: Drafty timeline for GeoRSS

> This might be a bit over the top in terms of detail. I'm also not  sure 
> it's possible to put a laser-like focus on what is clearly an  example of 
> standing on the shoulders of giants.
>
>
> On May 3, 2006, at 18:42, Carl Reed OGC Account wrote:
>
>> All -
>>
>> Below is a draft timeline for the current instance of GeoRSS. I  have 
>> checked with several folks but know I have missed key dates,  may not 
>> have correct info, or am missing key elements.
>>
>> Please check over and let me know of any additions, deletions, etc.
>>
>> I apologize in advance for any ommisions. Timelines are good so  that we 
>> can capture info now and update as we go so that there is  not confusion 
>> in the future.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Carl
>
> Here is some material that pre-dates Carl's first date.
>
> 1985
> ----
> The original reference of locating things on the net is the ICBM tag
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICBM_address and the earliest use of it  that 
> I can find on Google is on July 1, 1985 - http:// 
> groups.google.com/group/net.jokes/browse_thread/thread/ 
> c5ebc505a6af0908/e4775bb9cf31c7ea? 
> lnk=st&q=icbm&rnum=3&hl=en#e4775bb9cf31c7ea
>
>
> This might be a session-based URL, so you can do your own search.  Search 
> Google Groups for icbm between 1981 and August 1, 1985, sorted  by date. 
> It should come out near the top.
>
> Paul Pomes, the person whose message the ICBM appears in seems to be  at 
> UIUC - search for his name at http://webtools.uiuc.edu/ricker/PH
>
> ICBM is referred to in later efforts and is still in use today in  HTTP 
> META tags, I believe.
>
> 1994-1996
> ---------
> MATT, developed in 1994-1996 (I was the lead developer/architect) had  the 
> concept if "info-bullets" that tagged content to a specific  location. See 
> http://openmap.bbn.com/OpenMap(tm)/MATT/ for a 1996  description. 
> Info-bullets could themselves contain URLs so this was  an early attempt 
> to peg web content to a location. The MATT  installation came with its own 
> copy of NCSA httpd to support info- bullets - 
> http://openmap.bbn.com/projects/matt/install/ 
> MATT_Install_Version_4.0.html
>
> 1996
> ----
> RFC 1876 provides location information in DNS records. Again, a form  of 
> trying to tag location on the net. Note that both ICBM and RFC1876  are 
> about locating devices, not about tagging content with location.
>
>
>
>>
>> 1997 - Dave Winer "plays around" with web feeds.
>>
>> 1998: RFC 2445 – iCalander, released as an Internet standard. Has a 
>> simple
>> location syntax for a point geometry. This is relevant because it 
>> appears
>> that the W3C geo syntax is based on the one in iCalander.
>
> 1999 April - geotags.com registered (see 2000 February) by Andrew  Daviel 
> of Richmond, BC, Canada
>
>>
>> 1999 RSS “invented” – Netscape RSS v 0.9 released
>
> 2000 February: Geotags.com http://web.archive.org/web/20000226130843/ 
> http://geotags.com/
> Andrew Daviel of Richmond, BC, Canada
>
>>
>> 2001: Internet draft submitted to the IETF Geo-registration  (geotagging) 
>> of
>> HTML documents, Kaegi and Daviel. Never became a standard but 
>> significant
>> because it appears to build on the iCalander systax but is much  richer 
>> and
>> more semantically rigorous.
>>
>> 2001 February: Yahoo geowanking discussion list. Minor discussion  on how 
>> to
>> link an RSS message to a geographic location.
>>
>> 2002: GeoURL concept established - geotagging of URL locations.
>> www.geourl.com
>>
>> 2002 July: RDFMap (Chris Goad): First known instance of geoenabling  an 
>> RSS
>> document.  http://www.mapbureau.com/rdfmap0.91/index.html .  Interestnig 
>> to
>> note that the developers also checked out GML 2.x, used the  geometry 
>> model
>> but modified the syntax so that it would work with RDF.
>>
>> 2003 January: First version of the W3C "geo" vocabulary/syntax 
>> published.
>> geo is a simple microformat (RDF based) for geotagging web content  using 
>> a
>> point geometry
>
> See http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/ 2003/01/09/2003-01-09.html#1042129747.716114 
> for a little more on  this. Jo Walsh's work is credited but I don't know 
> what the date of  her work is. See also http://space.frot.org/news.html
>
> 2003 March: http://web.archive.org/web/20030418025743/http:// 
> thereandthen.org/
> http://web.archive.org/web/20030418145345/thereandthen.org/docs/ 
> index.html
>
>
> 2003 April: Daniel Smith at http://ThereAndThen.org talks about 
> geotagging photos:
> Hi, I'm Daniel Smith, and my interest grew out of wanting to tag  photos 
> with location/time info. It was good to meet those of you who  were at 
> etech this week, and to see some of the projects at the BOF  last night. 
> Just trying to get a handle on what all of the current  projects are, and 
> how some of them might fit together. I wrote up an  idea that some of you 
> have seen: http://ThereAndThen.org (yes, I need  to address its use in an 
> RSS context.. the doc needs en edit after  what I have taken in this week) 
> I'd be keen to hear any feedback on  it. I think it's great that so many 
> are circling around different  aspects of location/time from different 
> angles. cheers, Daniel p.s.  thanks Anselm for getting the GEO BOF 
> together -- Daniel L. Smith
>
> You have to look at the google cache here, too. He's clearly been  around 
> a while. He owns http://daniel.org/
>
>
>>
>> 2003 May. First known instance of the use of the term "georss". In  an 
>> email
>> in the geowanking discussion list.
>>
>> 2003 July: Harvard releases RSS 2.0
>>
>> 2004 Summer: geowanking discussion list on the concept of a geourl 
>> molecule
>> code. This would be a microformat for tagging content.
>
> 2003 October: Mike Liebhold rambles about "web map interop",  lamenting 
> that "On the web hypermedia side we have no standard  geocodes ( geourl is 
> a good start),.."
>
> You have to search for "site:lists.burri.to liebhold rss" on google,  then 
> use their cache. The burri.to site does not have the original  anymore. 
> It's a good ramble.
>
>>
>> 2004 Raj presented a paper on GeoBlogging in the summer of 2004 at 
>> URISA's
>> Public Particiation and GIS conference in which he mentions the georss
>> concept:
>> http://web.mit.edu/rajsingh/www/cmp/collabmaps/Singh-GeoBlogging.pdf.
>>
>> 2004 During the summer of 2004, Raj, Josh, Allan, and others discussed
>
> Others = Tony Pryor, at the time at MIT
>
>> geoenabling feeds during the Boston area GIS Interest Group meeting.
>>
>> 2005 February: At Location Intelligence, Carl had a meeting with  Dave 
>> Sonnen
>> in which we discussed light-weight geospatial payloads and  standards 
>> related
>> work being done in the IETF.
>>
>> 2005 April: George, Ron, and Carl write a draft GML Point Profile.
>>
>> 2005 March: At the BAAMA Symposium, Carl had dinner with Mike  Leibold 
>> and we
>> discussed the concept of geo-enabling (or geotagging) light weight 
>> payloads
>> as part of Web 2.0 and the geospatial web, including web feeds.
>>
>> 2005 July. Raj, Josh, and Allan decided to go for georss.
>> Raj Singh registers the georss.org domain on 7/20/2005. This could be
>> considered the official start date of the current georss initiative.
>> Allan Doyle sets up the georss server on an eogeo machine over the  next
>> couple of days.
>>
>> 2005 Summer: Raj Singh stands up georss.mit.edu feeds application.
>>
>> 2005 July: The IETF releases ATOM 1.0 as an internet standard.
>>
>> 2005 August: Then in August 7th and 8th, Raj and Carl had an email 
>> exchange
>> on ATOM and how we might have missed the boat in terms of providing 
>> input to
>> geo-enable ATOM. This led me to have a dialogue with Tim Bray  (major 
>> enabler
>> for the  development of the ATOM spec) geoenabling ATOM.
>>
>> 2005 August: All this led to an August 18th teleconference - and I  am 
>> not
>> sure who actually who suggested this - to have a brainstorming  session 
>> that
>> included Allan D, Josh L, Raj, Ron Lake, and Carl R.. There were 
>> actually a
>> series of teleconferences and emails. Some of the teleconferences 
>> pre-dated
>> the dialogue with Tim Bray.
>
> 2005 October: Allan developed the concept of using a content model of 
> GeoRSS which led to the current understanding of a content model with 
> serializations in other forms.
> http://lists.eogeo.org/pipermail/georss/2005-October/000113.html
>
>>
>> At this point, many others began contributing to the discussion,  setting
>> requirements and so forth.
>>
>> 2006 January - What we believe to be the first official version  ready 
>> for
>> implementation.
>>
>> 2006 March: Mikel Maron stands up first georss feed validator.
>>
>> 2006 March: GeoRSS goes to ROME (http://georss.geonames.org/)
>>
>> 2006 April: GeoRSS Blog is set up.
>>
>>
>> Carl Reed, PhD
>> CTO and Executive Director Specification Program
>> OGC
>>
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