[georss] Creative Commons

Thu Jun 8 09:37:02 EDT 2006

On Jun 7, 2006, at 18:12, Mikel Maron wrote:

> I wouldn't be able to call in (just getting settled in the  
> dominican republic), as likely many other people here.
> And in general, isn't it good to have a text record of such  
> discussions?
> So my request is for this discussion to take place on the mailing  
> list.

Sounds like a good request to me.

	Allan

>
> -Mikel
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Josh at oklieb" <josh at oklieb.net>
> To: Doyle Allan <adoyle at eogeo.org>; Raj Singh  
> <rsingh at opengeospatial.org>; Carl Reed OGC Account  
> <creed at opengeospatial.org>
> Cc: georss at lists.eogeo.org
> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2006 2:11:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [georss] Creative Commons
>
> May I suggest a conversation tomorrow on this topic? Education and
> negotiation on copyright issues which include control, credit,
> access, and so on. We need to understand how those can flow back and
> forth between organizations / communities and how to properly express
> them to reflect what we think we are agreeing on.
>
> Line: +1 (405) 244-5555 (5699#) at 11am EDT
>
> Cheers,
>
> Josh
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Howard Butler wrote:
>
>> Carl,
>>
>> Can you please post a copy of the OGC GeoRSS
>> paper on a website somewhere or on the
>> maillist?  I am not a member of OGC, and I'm sure
>> other non-OGC members of the GeoRSS list would like to see it also.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Howard
>>
>> At 07:12 AM 6/7/2006, Allan Doyle wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2006, at 18:54, Carl Reed OGC Account wrote:
>>>
>>>> Allan -
>>>>
>>>> Yes, this needs to be "hashed" out because as we move components of
>>>> GeoRSS into W3C and the OGC, we need to deal with those
>>>> organizations respective copyright and IPR policies. I also need to
>>>> work copyright between W3C and the OGC for shared documents. I also
>>>> have a very similar issue with a group in Germany that developed
>>>> CityGML. They put their copyright on the document even though it is
>>>> a GML Application Schema. In that case, we are looking at shared
>>>> copyright with due attribution to both parties.
>>>
>>> We started the site with the Creative Commons license, That was by
>>> mutual agreement among Raj, Josh, and myself when we first set it up
>>> last year. Since then, people have been contributing to the site,
>>> presumably under the impression that their work was being covered
>>> under that license.
>>>
>>> I did not pose the question to open a discussion about changing the
>>> license, but rather to figure out who the licensor should be. I  
>>> think
>>> the licensor is in fact the group of people who contributed to the
>>> spec, even if there is no specific organization we can name. Those
>>> people whose names appear in the email archives at http://
>>> lists.eogeo.org/pipermail/georss/ would be considered to be the
>>> collective license holders in my opinion. If you want to change the
>>> license, I would expect that you would need to get permission from
>>> each of them.
>>>
>>> I personally felt it was important to put a CC license on the parts
>>> of the work I contributed. I feel that this is the only way to  
>>> ensure
>>> that the work be kept open in the face of today's seemingly
>>> ineluctable drive to eliminate all possibility of letting the  
>>> "little
>>> people" have control of any intellectual property.
>>>
>>> If you posted a GeoRSS white paper for the OGC membership, then I
>>> don't see any reason that the white paper should not itself be
>>> covered under the Creative Commons license. If I were still an OGC
>>> member, I would certainly be advocating that any OGC staff time  
>>> spent
>>> writing documents should result in Creative Commons licensed
>>> material.
>>>
>>> I note that deegree, an OGC reference implementation,  which was
>>> presumably voted on by OGC members to receive the designation as a
>>> reference implementation is covered by the LGPL, a viral license.
>>> Thus, you expect others to abide by that license and would expect
>>> them to make any modifications of that code public under the same
>>> terms.
>>>
>>> I also note that there are some OGC specifications that are  
>>> available
>>> only by paying a fee to ISO or ANSI (<http://>http://
>>> feature.opengeospatial.org/forumbb/viewtopic.php?t=305).
>>>
>>> I believe it's in the best interests of keeping GeoRSS open and
>>> available to everyone to for us to keep it under a Creative Commons
>>> license.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday, I posted a candidate GeoRSS White Paper for
>>>> consideration by the OGC membership. I state several times that
>>>> some of the material is either extracted from or a synopsis of the
>>>> content on the GeoRSS web site.
>>>
>>> I think it would be courteous to the rest of the georss contributors
>>> who don't have access to that document to post it here.
>>>
>>>  From the paper, here are those several mentions:
>>>
>>> "GeoRSS, created outside the OGC but supported and sponsored by the
>>> OGC and likely to become an OGC standard,"
>>>
>>> "The majority of the content in this document can also be found
>>> with many
>>> examples  on the GeoRSS web site  www.georss.org.";
>>>
>>> "The GeoRSS developers, a small group of OGC staff and members and
>>> other highly
>>> creative "geohackers,"
>>>
>>>> So, for this white paper, what do we do about copyright? The
>>>> current OGC copyright is now consistent (yes, finally!) and not
>>>> nearly as restrictive as it used to be. So, I would suggest, as
>>>> with CityGML, shared copyright.
>>>
>>> For this white paper, please do the following things:
>>>
>>> 1. Remove the OGC copyright statement from the top which says:
>>> "Copyright © 2006 Open Geospatial Consortium, Inc. All Rights
>>> Reserved. To obtain additional rights of use, visit http://
>>> www.opengeospatial.org/legal/.
>>>
>>> 2. Remove my name and the EOGEO name which you used without
>>> permission as an author and as a submitting organization (EOGEO is
>>> not an OGC member so we certainly can't be a submitting  
>>> organization,
>>> unless your rules have changed).
>>>
>>> 3. Add in the following wording:
>>>
>>> "Material in this white paper is taken from the source material at
>>> http://www.georss.org under the terms of the Creative Commons
>>> Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 license."
>>>
>>> *and*
>>>
>>> "The contents of this document are covered under the Creative  
>>> Commons
>>> Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 license which can be found at http://
>>> creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/"
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>         Allan
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Doyle" <adoyle at eogeo.org>
>>>> To: <georss at lists.eogeo.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 2:58 PM
>>>> Subject: [georss] Creative Commons
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The question came up today, our site is covered by a Creative
>>>>> Commons
>>>>> Attribution Share Alike 2.5 license, but we don't say what
>>>>> attribution to give, nor do we provide a contact address.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest that we say
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============
>>>>> All uses of this material must be accompanied by the following
>>>>> statement:
>>>>> "CC - Material from GeoRSS.org web site, used under Creative
>>>>> Commons
>>>>> Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License."
>>>>>
>>>>> That also means that any document which uses this material must
>>>>> also
>>>>> be available under the same terms. Please read the license!
>>>>> ================
>>>>>
>>>>> Or something like that. I think we really need a "licensor", and
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> not sure whether the licensor must be a legal entity (i.e. a  
>>>>> person
>>>>> or a corporation) or whether it can be a group (the "GeoRSS
>>>>> Development Team").
>>>>>
>>>>> It might be good to hash this out quickly...
>>>>>
>>>>> Allan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Allan Doyle
>>>>> +1.781.433.2695
>>>>> adoyle at eogeo.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Allan Doyle
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>>> adoyle at eogeo.org
>>>
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