[georss] Geospatial Incubator Group

Wed Jul 19 01:17:14 EDT 2006

Mike,

Keep having those thoughts, they are good oversight!

The "non-exclusive" in my post below was directed pretty specifically  
at your concerns. Adoption of georss products by either OGC or W3C  
would not at all be to replace georss.org. Our intent (and by "our" I  
mean the small but growing community which is overlapped by all three  
groups) is that results of an ongoing creative process at georss.org  
can be formally related to existing standards within OGC and W3C, as  
appropriate to each organization. In the case of OGC, it looks like a  
practical example of applying GML. In the case of W3C it looks like a  
way to update the geo rdf vocabulary and jumpstart a geospatial Web  
ontology.

Standards organizations need process even to form connections to  
other specifications and technologies. It doesn't have to have a  
viral effect on what they are connecting to. The policies of both  
organizations are consistent with this. On the other hand, there is  
some novelty in the georss pattern and it will take careful  
stewardship as well as the occasional misunderstanding to follow it.

Your concern about hijackings has significant historical basis, but  
if paranoia is any protection against this, let's just say that we  
are well provisioned. Glad to have you on the watch as well.

Cheers,

Josh

On Jul 18, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Mike Liebhold wrote:

> Here's a couple of naive thoughts for Josh and the new w3c  
> Geospatial Incubator Group, and Carl and the OGC:
>
> One ot the reasons that geoRSS is entering two parallel formal  
> adoption processes, is that the geoRSS specification is explictly  
> designed to link the two standards, and knowledge domains.
>
> Will georss.org be replaced by a formally configured, overlapping  
> group of OGC and w3c membership? If not, I am wondering how much  
> visibility will non-member groups e.g. georss.org have on working  
> drafts, and proposals circulated by 'members' within OGC and w3c  
> working groups?
>
> One worry, of course, is that 1-2 big industry guys ( naming no  
> names)  might have reasons to push heavily, and privately for some  
> non-obvious spec, that unknown to neutral groups like geoRSS.org,  
> would break the interoperability some way.
>
> A couple of ideas on how to assure optimal sychronization between  
> alternate worlds are  a formal charter to interlock OGC and w3c  
> processes including a balanced, mutually agreed overlapping list of  
> 'invited experts'  from both mapping and web domains, and  
> crossposting on public lists on both OGC and w3c geoRSS related  
> working groups.
>
> And importantantly, until both OGC and w3c adopt the same geoRSS  
> specification, I hope the 'invited expert' members will commit to  
> current postings to both geoRSS.org lists and wiki. until there's  
> consensus in formal committees geoRSS.org has to remain the core  
> maintainer of the draft spec.
>
> it's not geoRSS unless it's geoRSS.org .
>
> :-) Mike Liebhold
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh at oklieb wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As chair of the group, I hope I can shed some light on this  
>> activity. Actually, everyone on this list is invited to join the  
>> public mailing list for the group: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/ 
>> Public/public-xg-geo/
>>
>> The first objective of the group is to have W3C adopt (non- 
>> exclusively) the vocabulary of GeoRSS Simple by using it to update  
>> the w3c geo vocabulary. Still working on the administrative  
>> details of that, but will probably provide a new URI for the geo  
>> namespace and refine the RDF definition of GeoRSS Simple (same  
>> XML, different schema definition).
>>
>> The next objective will be to work outwards towards the S/semantic  
>> Web community via a geospatial Web ontology.  I mean the upper/ 
>> lower case because there are a number of tagging and microformat  
>> efforts to which we can contribute a geospatial aspect. In  
>> addition, this may be the place to begin defining some basic  
>> ontologies and folksonomies for the featuretypetag and  
>> relationshiptag elements in GeoRSS.
>>
>> After that, well, who knows what might come of the collaboration  
>> between the various free and not-so-free communities interested in  
>> this activity. Your suggestions are welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Josh Lieberman
>>
>> Principal, Traverse Technologies Inc.
>> mailto:jlieberman at traversetechnologies.com
>> tel +1 (617) 395-7766
>> fax +1 (775) 514-6621
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2006, at 4:37 PM, noiv wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> does anybody could bring some light into the implications
>>> the recently founded Geospatial Incubator Group will rise?
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/geo/charter
>>>
>>> As an 'immediate objective' the group will do:
>>> "update and harmonization with GeoRSS of the GEO vocabulary,
>>> aka simplest useful geospatial ontology."
>>>
>>> Will it mean rewriting of code, more possibilities,
>>> more useful applications or all of them?
>>>
>>> What is now the address to send proposals to?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> --
>>> Torsten Becker aka noiv
>>> http://ExploreOurPla.net
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