[georss] Geospatial Incubator Group

[Carl Reed OGC Account]

On the same topic of "secrecy", the OGC now has something called OGCNetwork - http://www.ogcnetwork.net/. This is a publicly accessible, community resource. We can easily set of wiki pages etc so that anyone - OGC members and non-members - can collaborate.

Cheers

Carl

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stefan F. Keller 
  To: danbri at danbri.org ; georss at lists.eogeo.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [georss] Geospatial Incubator Group


  Good points, Dan, especially also about public discussions. Perhaps the link to OGC's SensorWeb from Carl that immediately followed up your post can be 'opened' too? 

  Swoogle stats about "100 most common RDF namespaces" lists 'geo' (W3C) currently at 7th place and 'georss' 45th: http://ebiquity.umbc.edu/blogger/100-most-common-rdf-namespaces/ 
   
  Stefan

  2006/7/20, Dan Brickley <danbri at danbri.org>: 
    Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
    > Mike Liebhold wrote:
    >
    >> If not, I am wondering how much visibility will non-member groups 
    >> e.g. georss.org have on working drafts, and proposals circulated by
    >> 'members' within OGC and w3c working groups?
    >
    > amen. this reminds me of the discussions when the atom wg was formed and 
    > ended up at the IETF due in no small part to it's open process.

    Before anyone gets too worked up about secrecy, member-only
    standards discussions, etc., it's maybe worth pointing out that the
    silly little wgs84-based "basic geo" lat/long namespace we made at W3C, 
    was done as an informal collaboration amongst members of W3C's Semantic
    Web Interest Group, ie. amongst member of the public. The SWIG is a
    totally public group, based around the semantic-web at w3.org mailing list,
    but with a variety of other fora (including use of a public logged IRC
    channel, #swig on irc.freenode.net, where most of the geo: discussions 
    were held).

    The new Geo Incubator group ('XG') at W3C also has a public mailing
    list, as well as a Member-only forum. For the XG to discuss things with
    Member-only W3C groups, eg. perhaps the Mobile Web guys, ... it's useful 
    for them to have a Member-only mailing list. But to discuss things with
    the Semantic Web Interest Group, ... discussions need to be in public,
    because SWIG is a public participation forum. I'm suggestion, see
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-geo/2006Jul/ ->
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-geo/2006Jul/0001.html 

    The best way to keep these discussions public, is to show up on the
    public mailing lists offering useful contributions to the work (test
    cases, running code, documentation, review comments, etc.). In 6 years 
    at W3C, I spent a good amount of time trying to nudge people to use
    public fora over closed ones. In the SW world, I think the argument is
    won: RDF and SemWeb discussions at W3C, for many years, have
    overwhelmingly been conducted on public lists. As chair of the SWIG and 
    (current) editor of http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/ I'm excited to see
    this new group starting up, bringing new expertise and professionalism
    to the discussions. For this work to stay in touch with the SWIG, and 
    other stakeholders in the current namespace, we need as much of these
    dicusssions as possible to stay in public. I'm sure at times there will
    be offlist threads, or threads within OGC and W3C Member fora, ... but I 
    do hope they'll be a minority.

    BTW I have started an investigation into the current usage patterns of
    the w3c Geo namespace, see
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2006Jul/0053.html ---
    we sohuld hopefully have some stats from the Swoogle soon... If folks
    have any more data or thoughts on gathering it, ... do please contrib to 
    that thread.

    cheers,

    Dan


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